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should give up privacy? shouln't give up privacy?
Debate Score:42
Arguments:25
Total Votes:52
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3-4th amendment-Unlawful Searches & Seizures

Should we give up our individual privacy for the safety of the nation?

should give up privacy?

Side Score: 19
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shouln't give up privacy?

Side Score: 23
2 points

“I might be happy to give my date of birth when I check in my account over the phone to the operator because this facilitates the security practices on my bank account, so people who don’t know my bank account cannot access that information. I’m giving away a little bit of my privacy there for the sake of security, and this is fine.” said Dr. Mariarosaria Taddeo, Researcher at the Oxford Internet Institute. This is true, everytime that we give our date of birth, or name and email, we give up privacy in order to keep security.

Supporting Evidence: debate (www.debatingeurope.eu)
Side: should give up privacy?
Akshat01(7) Disputed
2 points

Giving up your date of birth to access your bank account is not actually giving up privacy. This is known as a verification question and is set by you. It is your choice what your verification would be not the bank's choice. Therefore, you aren't actually giving up privacy you are divulging information you think will verify that it is you.

Side: shouln't give up privacy?
HATIMSaeed(3) Disputed
1 point

replying to Allison

Although she gave up some privacy if anyone else got access to any of that information she could have lots of her personal data stolen, people could use her name and date of birth for many things, also her email could be hacked and her files may now not be just secure to her.

Side: shouln't give up privacy?
allison135(2) Disputed
1 point

But don't we give up our email for many things, even on this site it asks for our email. Not to mention that most people give up their personal information everyday. There are so many instances where we give up our information and it amounts to no thing. There are people that should not have our information, but why would it be so bad to have our texts looked at if key words are popping up. If you don't know how the key words work, here's how. If words like refugees, drugs, guns, etc keep showing up they will most likely start watching your texts. And while this may seem like a bad idea, it would only increase the worlds security.

Side: should give up privacy?
2 points

We give up some of our rights to the government in order that we may be protected, and sometimes that government might have to infringe on our other rights in order to protect us. We can't be fully protected and safe without the help of the government and in order to do that, we need to give up some of our privacy for national security. Also, to reduce chances of terrorist entering countries, some loss of privacy is needed.Our rights do us no good if we’re dead anyway.

Side: should give up privacy?
HATIMSaeed(3) Disputed
2 points

replying to Reem

No privacy needs to be given up to stop terrorists from entering places like the USA, that is why immigration exists and travel bans prevent people from unsafe countries entering places like the USA. All the immigration will do is see who you are, ask why you are here to see if you could be potentially dangerous.

Side: shouln't give up privacy?
allison135(2) Disputed
1 point

I find that untrue, if the terrorists are coming into a country, how are they supposed to know without checking your bag or patting you down. One example was the terrorist attack on the German International airport. After the attacker had killed two people and wounded two others, he was arrested. After the attack the German's tightened security. This shows that the way they dealed with trying to prevent another attack was by giving everyone pat downs and checking everyone's bags around three times. This means that they gave everyone less privacy, increasing security.

Side: should give up privacy?
1 point

Giving up our privacy helps increase national security. Our privacy does us no good if our security is gone.

Side: should give up privacy?
1 point

There was a saying by a young man:

“I rather give up some information about me on an airplane and them looking through my bags when I'm innocent then them not searching our bags and being blown up by terrorists. I'd rather have the government seeing some of my personal life than dying. And to refute Ben Franklin's quote, he didn't live in a time where terrorists were trying to blow up the country like they are now.”

This means people aren't willing to die for privacy. on the website, they asked all 13 years and above students from a specific school to vote if privacy is more important that security. 39% said it is important, but 61% said it wasn't.

https://www.theodysseyonline.com/security-is-more-important-than-privacy

Side: should give up privacy?
Akshat01(7) Disputed
1 point

The giving up of privacy for security often leads to the creation of a security theatre where individuals might feel safe but aren’t actually safe. The best example of this is the TSA, where often times illegal items are not stopped from passing through. So the security checks at airports would not actually stop terrorists. Also, 57% of American Citizens do not want to give up privacy and think it is unacceptable for the government to monitor them according to a study done in 2013 by the Pew research centre.

https://privacysos.org/security_theater/

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/09/21/the-state-of-privacy-in-america/

Side: shouln't give up privacy?
1 point

While privacy is important, what is the point if our security is gone. The director of the National Security Administration today told Congress that more than 50 potential terrorist attacks have been thwarted by two controversial programs tracking more than a billion phone calls and vast swaths of Internet data each day. This is important because, while everyone enjoys privacy it helps to give up a little. Without these tracking programs more people could have lost their lives in terrorist attacks. Are peoples lives worth less than privacy?

Supporting Evidence: abcnews (abcnews.go.com)
Side: should give up privacy?
Akshat01(7) Disputed
1 point

Privacy is our most important amendment as it allows us protection from the outside world and if privacy is not supported in this country then what sets us apart from various regimes and dictatorships. You have talked about PRISM which was the call-tracking program. It violated the foreign intelligence surveillance act of 1978. Which leads us to the question, what right does the government have to remove the privacy of foreign citizens? Also as stated before privacy removal programs have often led to convictions which would have been possible without the surveillance. After all, what is worth protecting if we remove a quality that seperates us from most nations

Side: shouln't give up privacy?
Remm2004(12) Disputed
1 point

privacy is important, but not more than security. if you die, will you ask for privacy? our privacy will do us no good if we die. national security is needed specially in wars nowadays, people don't think their rights will protect them so they give their rights to stay living. or else, if everyone wants privacy, then who will support the country?

Side: should give up privacy?
1 point

replying to hatim:

the school is doing the test for a reason, the school administrators are charged with ensuring a safe, supportive, and healthy school environment where children can learn and reach their full potential. This includes taking measures to prevent tobacco, alcohol and drug use among students. there are currently no federal laws regarding school based drug testing.

Side: should give up privacy?
1 point

the first and Fourth amendment considered the national security as a priority. Since the implementation of the Patriot Act, the first and fourth amendments were changed to enhance national security. This implied that according to the act the authorities had the rights to vary and at sometimes compromise people’s freedom in their fight against terrorism. Personal privacy is a civil liberty; according to the constitution, the government has a duty to ensure that it protects human rights. The national Act was designed to fight terrorism, had little or no concern over individual privacy and civil liberties. Although fighting terrorism to ensure national security is, a good thing for the government it is costly and therefore the government needed to think otherwise. The cost that the government incurred in ensuring national stood out as an opportunity cost. The government needed to consider the opportunity cost that it suffered in ensuring national security at the expense of civil liberties

Side: should give up privacy?
2 points

We would like to start this debate by defining the key terms:

National Security: “the safety of a nation against threats such as terrorism, war, or espionage.”

Privacy: “freedom from unauthorized intrusion or disturbance”

The purpose of the bill of rights is to prevent an invasive government. Also, the national safety is to protect the constitution and our laws. If we aren’t using the constitution then what may be the point of protecting it? The founding fathers must have considered privacy as an important right to include it in the amendment. Privacy is one of the most important rights and is essential for a free nation.

Side: shouln't give up privacy?
2 points

In a world now where everything is digitized. The removal of privacy might lead to the digitization of your life leading to your data being used to influence your decisions. There already has been an example of this when Facebook failed to prevent the use of data from millions of its users to be captured and improperly used to influence the presidential election. The data of up to 87 million users were affected according to the independent. This shows that with the removal of privacy our own data can be used by governments or others to influence our decisions on several key decisions such as voting or referendums.

https://www.wired.com/story/wired-facebook-cambridge-analytica-coverage/

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/facebook-cambridge-analytica-data-scandal-a8289091.html

Side: shouln't give up privacy?
2 points

Police showed up to a man's house demanding a search, he had asked for a warrant but the police did not have one. They took the husband into the front yard, slammed him to the ground and cuffed him. When they came back from inside the house the man wasn't found. The police were found guilty of violating the 4th amendment.

https://www.onenewsnow.com/legal-courts/ 2017/09/15/court-deputies-violated-4th-amendment-rights

Side: shouln't give up privacy?
Remm2004(12) Disputed
2 points

although he had an unexpected search, it wasn't stated as unreasonable. the police are here to protect us from the people who may harm us around us. from seeing the data of this person and tracking him, the police can suspect he's going to harm people, so they ask for a search. your privacy is given to the government for more security, by giving your privacy, they can know all things about you. according to you site, it wasn't written any evidence or reasoning about the person and his background information, this shows that we do not know what this person did in the past.

Side: should give up privacy?
2 points

Most websites contain cookies which track your internet surfing and analyze this data creating a virtual profile to sell to advertisers. This is known as cookie profiling or data mining. This creates a virtual profile of you through your browsing history and used to make ads more directed towards you. The selling of these profiles to advertisers leads to your data being more valuable than you. They make money by monetizing you. Removal of your privacy would lead to a new currency, "your data".

http://www.allaboutcookies.org/cookies/cookie-profiling.htm

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/apple-boss-tim-cook-slams-google-and-facebook-for-selling-their-users-data-10295158.html

Side: shouln't give up privacy?
2 points

Savanah redding gave a prescription ibuprofen to another student and was brought into the office, the principal demanded that he see her purse to see for any dangerous items. some weapons and medicine were found. although the search may have had a reason she was also strip searched through all her clothing. Savanah later went on to sue the school because she felt her privacy was violated when she was searched and won the case.

https://judiciallearningcenter.org/your-4th-amendment-rights/

Side: shouln't give up privacy?
1 point

The patriot act was established by the US after 9/11 attacks. This allowed the NSA to send NSLs (National Security letters) to request records for certain people. The FBI has issued 192,499 NSLs, with only one of them leading to a terror-related conviction which would have occurred without NSLs. Several people who received NSL (National Security Letter which allows them to access an individual's records) have been prohibited from telling others. This is known as a “gag order” and is deemed unconstitutional as it violates the 1st amendment. This shows that the giving up of privacy only led to one terror-related conviction. This shows that terror-attacks will not be stopped by giving up privacy.

https://oig.justice.gov/special/s0803b/final.pdf

https://www.aclu.org/issues/national-security/privacy-and-surveillance/surveillance-under-patriot-act

https://www.wired.com/2017/03/mass-spying-isnt-just-intrusive-ineffective/

Side: shouln't give up privacy?
1 point

There was one particular case in which a student refused to take a school-wide drug test, his parents refused for the child to be allowed to be tested. The student and his parents took the school to court to sue them for the 4th amendment violation. Although that may have seemed like a violation the court ruled the case perfectly legal.

http://judiciallearningcenter.org/your-4th-amendment-rights/

Side: shouln't give up privacy?
Remm2004(12) Disputed
2 points

replying to hatim:

the school is doing the test for a reason, the school administrators are charged with ensuring a safe, supportive, and healthy school environment where children can learn and reach their full potential. This includes taking measures to prevent tobacco, alcohol and drug use among students. there are currently no federal laws regarding school based drug testing.

Side: should give up privacy?
1 point

To give up the privacy of an individual there must be a probable cause established, otherwise, there is the opportunity for law enforcement to abuse their powers. This was proven in "Weeks v. the United States” when law when law enforcement searched his house without his consent. Therefore, all the evidence brought was inadmissible in court. This grants Americans the right to self.

Side: shouln't give up privacy?